I drive over 40,000 miles/year so I'll easily make up the $$ difference. There are other benefits of the diesel (towing, longevity, resale). There are so many pros/cons about each so you just have to personally evaluate your needs and budget and go from there. I'd really like an S-97 Raider attack helicopter but I can't afford the ammo I'd need to use on a daily basis.
At 40K per year, I imagine you will recoup the costs. Are diesels in the US desirable now? American diesels of the 80's left a bad taste in the mouths of many. I'm an old dog so no offense, but I'll wait to see the 'take rate" on the Wrangler diesels to see if they really are worth the extra cost, thus hold resale value. And I'm interested to see how they compare to the Pentastar V6. I'm not a diesel hater. But I've been around long enough (unfortunately) to know that diesel engines in the US are not coveted.
The biggest issue is the DEF as well as how inefficient they are compared to how they could be (EPA stuff). Especially after Volkswagen got pinched I'm sure they are all trying to keep things legit. I'm not sure if there are chips out for this engine yet but I know for the Cummins and some Duramax they are tuning these things for much greater performance and efficiency.
Here in AUS diesels are the engine of choice for 4 wheel drives & trucks so i imagine the diesel will sell well over here also the diesel tuning industry is huge here so many people do a chip & exhaust these days
Depends on if it’s for a base model or a package where a bunch of stuff may be thrown in, but usually it’s consistent throughout, so likely closer to $4K than $3K. Currently can’t configure a 2018 for diesel (just Pentastar and Hemi at the moment), but for the 2017 in Tradesman (requires 8’ box) and other lower end models it’s $4,270 for the diesel. and $1,450 for the HEMI, both of which would require a $500 transmission upgrade. So essentially $4,770 for the EcoDiesel and $1,950 for the Hemi. Also, for $95 the Hemi gets a 3.92 rear axle and the Ecodiesel gets a 3.55 axle ratio, they all start with the 3.21 axle as standard.
Yeah, and in that case the starting point is the Hemi so the premium is actually higher than on the base models, because it’s the $1,450 of the Hemi , plus $3,120 so $4,570 instead of $4,270. I dunno why it’s not $2,820 as a premium instead of $3,120 , as that’s the differene between the two engines themselves, but it’s likely just margin creep for higher trim level that they can hide with no Pentastar there.
cost is always an issue for most, i use a truck as a truck!!! a stripper would be fine by me similar to my basic 08 colorado LS i now own, 2 door 4 wd manual tranny, crank windows, but more power than my anemic 4 cyl please + a removeable soft top to seal the deal!!!
Speaking of prices, will the Scrambler enjoy terrific resale like the Wrangler? What configuration will be the most desirable?
resale only helps those that trade often, i research + decide + generally have a ride a long time. my traded in 2012 VW turbo jetta was a new purchase in 2001, had 200,000 smiles on the clock + still ran well + no rust as the body panels were all galvanized!!! best car i ever owned, but traded for a change to a roadster, 2001 audi TT 225Q + love it + an open air pickup would go well with it if i can afford one!!!!! since i am older i can't wait too long for a lower priced preowned one unfortunately!!
The main issue is that the average household income in the U.S. is less than $60,000 annually. Notice I said household income, not individual income. So most guys are earning far less than that. Now, when you look at the prices on Wranglers you see that MOST Wranglers on the lots are $40,000 and up. So, what that means is that the cost of the average Wrangler on the lot has surpassed the average annual salary of a worker in the U.S. That's where the problem lies. Pricing is rising faster than inflation. The Fast Lane Truck recently did a video discussing this very thing regarding pickup trucks as well. It's very difficult to justify spending that much of your monthly income on a Wrangler, unless you're one of the upper class folks. Yet, people are going into huge debt to get them and as long as Jeep is selling them, the prices will keep rising. The bubble will bust one day...there'll be another recession or war or something that'll screw the economy over and this bubble will bust.
The financial sites have been saying this for that last 2-3 years. They say there is a HUGE bubble in the auto loan market as a big majority of loans are underwater, and un like a house cars are deprecating assets. Year over year auto sales are in a decline.
Not much. The Power Wagon is already selling for low to mid 40s after incentives. A fully loaded Rubicon Scrambler will be similar. However with that said the new 2500 is coming out in 2020 so I would assume when that happens the incentives on the Power Wagon will no longer be there.
Look at most HD truck today, the retail costs are ridiculous, a top of the line Ford is close to 100K. Ram is 75K. So the question is will FCA shoot to keep costs within their market? 30K for a JLU, I figure maybe 35K for a JT add a few upgrades and a Diesel add another 10-15K. How plush do you want to go? If I can get 25-28 mpg on the highway with a diesel to me it is worth the extra 5K, and most likely I will keep this rig for a very long time. Add to this the ability to tow 6500# and I am happy at 45 to 50K. Now add the options such as lift, tires, bumpers, winch... from the aftermarket.... and it will get a bit more expensive. Still 50% cheaper than the AEV 4 door Brute. Current truck is a Ram 3500 diesel.. nice rig but a bit much for what I need, the JT diesel would fill the need perfect. Why did I get a 3500? Got a great deal off the lot. Looking forward to ordering up a JT.. biggest decision is what color LOL.
Since the "leak" showing a $30,445 price for a JLU Sport, then let's say an additional $3k for the JT makes a $33,500 guess plus $1095 delivery, makes roughly $34,595 as the base price. Yes I'm worried about the price.
I'm not sure the JT is going to be that much more then the JL. Why would it be? Its going to use a lot of the same parts, just have a bed instead of a full cab. At most a $2K difference IMO. However with that said I don't expect the base JT to be as cheap as the base Sport JL as I think the JT will automatically have more options to start.
I'm hoping the JT is priced at the same level as a comparable Tacoma, Colorado or Canyon. There is going to be some more competition with the Ranger coming back too. A $32,000 base price would be nice but we still have a long time before we get any concrete pricing information.
I suspect more. We already know the axles will be different per the cad drawings. If I remember the conversations correctly some sort of 12 bolt Dana? I'm not extremely competent on that front. I would think the frame will have some cost being larger. I hope they are close in cost and there isn't much difference but I think it will be more than 2k. I am very nervous of cost. I'd hate to be priced out of something I've been waiting my entire adult life for, a wrangled based pickup.
