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Jeep Scrambler Pickup Engines, Tow Capacity, Max Payload Figures and Axle Ratios Revealed!

  1. TexTJ209

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    There won't be a 2 door by all accounts. 4 door only.
     
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    I get that they are a leisure truck but if they had a payload that was rated to 1 tonne they would have a much better chance of cementing part of the market share due to many many people like me (most dual cab buyers in Aust) who run small businesses and can buy a dual purpose truck and have great tax benefits. And dont worry about aggressive pricing as we are prepared to spend $ on work trucks as business pays for it but cannot justify $70k+ on a car that has no benefit from business expenses! Looks like I will be forced into a BT50, ranger or Hilux. They just dont appeal to me.
     
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    I don't think Australian small business owner is a huge target demographic for most automakers, unfortunately.
     
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    Just realized that this is 500-750lbs less towing capacity then the Chevy Colorado :(
     
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    It has to tow more to handle all the extra shame of driving a Chevy Colorado.
     
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    my 08 colorado works for me!!! $14,000 slightly used in 08 12,000 miles 4WD 5 spd manual + standard cab!!! i want a truck not a toy so if theres not what i want theres no sale!!! i am happy with my colorado but a soft top aka convertible would be the shits for me, a little more power would be welcome as well, only time will tell what is offered!!
     
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    I'll be an optimist and treat these tow capacity numbers as preliminary. I can't think of what would be limiting it to 6500.
     
  8. mid_south_rzr

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    Scrambler Base = Trim Level - Wrangler Sport
    Scrambler Premium = Trim Level - Wrangler Rubicon

    Or like Kevin said, they haven't figured our trim level names yet.

    But how Scrambler was known to be a decal on the hood of Jeep where on Wrangler's "Rubicon" is also a hood decal. Maybe that's why they are not calling it a Scrambler Rubicon, because "Scrambler" will be the decal on the hood instead. Just guessing...

    I was also hoping for 7,000+ lbs too but 6,500 lbs isn't bad. That's now 300 lbs more towing than the Grand Cherokee with the same motors and 8 speed transmission that's in the WK2.

    I saw on the JL Wrangler page people were wondering what motors were getting the automatic or manual transmission. The letters on the side of the chart are the transmission if you did not notice, to whom that did not catch it.

    MAFTA = Automatic
    BUX = Manual

    At lease, that's what I thought it meant.

    But yeah... I really hoped the Scrambler would be towing as much as the mid-size GM trucks. BUT aftermarket will probably help with that. It probably has more to do with the rear suspension to why it's not over 7K lbs.
     
  9. The Great Grape Ape

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    Because it has a specific market segment that it can dominate. Why big a small fish in a big pond where you have to compete on price, versus being a bigger fish is a pond you can have mainly for yourself?

    They need to get the pricing they need to recoup the higher costs to make the JT, competing on price as a work truck, especially for an export market, makes little sense.
     
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    Nope.

    The first one is NAFTA with an N not an M, ie North American Free Trade Accord. Those vehicles are destined for the US, Canada & Mexico.

    The second one is a Chrysler acronym which I’ve heard two variations on, B-uilt U-units for eXport or B-uild U-p eXport, which is essentially everywhere else, with Primary markets in Europe, S. Africa, Australia and the Phillipines.

    ie NAFTA = North America , BUX = Rest of World

    China and India are separate markets with their own production.

    BUX Wrangler sales represent about 10% of all production which is significantly lower than all the models people in those regions are comparing it to. It’s a tough situation where they don’t have local production and they can sell all they can make domestically without having to pay a large sum to ship units overseas.
    Unfortunately for people ?elsewhere’ Most BUX production is boutique and treated as such, where its roll is less about making money for that limited chunk of production vs promoting the brand and supporting marketing efforts of other Jeep/FCA vehicles with a larger presence in those markets.
     
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    I understand what you’re saying, but you’re not appreciating the challenge of your market for Wrangler products. I’ll use the generic Wrangler in the example because JT production and supply vs demand is still unknown at this point with optimistic estimates it will outsell the JL/JLU combined, and others thinking it will follow a Toyota FJ life cycle.

    The Export Wranglers are Halo PR products usually used to support other vehicles and to promote the brand, they aren’t made on usual supply & demand pricing/profit concerns, so much as providing an allocation of units to these markets to add some gravy to the main course. In order to justify units to capture foreign market share, production and pricing would need to change.

    The Toyota and Mazda products you speak of NEED that market, they can’t exist through domestic production alone, whereas FCA could halt export sales of Wranglers completely and have less impact to overall sales than a slow domestic sales period. So the motivation to go after that bigger chunk of the export market is limited, especially when your available added production capacity is maybe another 12,000 units if they are lucky.

    Now if the JT is received more mildly, then additional capacity opens up, and then they can start thinking of what they could do to start significantly increasing sales to those export markets where there are oppotunities, because an idle plant is worse than paying to ship units around the world.
    However even that strategy faces challenges from people who want to use the JT platform/frame to make a longer JL to go after the 3 row large SUV market, which is also a hot high profit segment. Thankfully they already have the Wagooner and Grand Wagoneer coming to address that market, so that option might still be available.

    Of course yet another option is, if the JT is a gang-busters success in the US... AND also a roaring success in the export market, then FCA could commit to an Export JT and then build a plant specifically for that roll, in which case it would make sense to move production to a region closer to the destination markets somthat it’s not constrained by oeftover capacity,mand actually is focused on competing of providing those regions with pricing and features better fit to their situation, and not simply rebadged vehicles who primary and almost sole focus is the N.American market and its needs.

    Same thing happened in the past with Jeep vs LandRover and Toy, everyone commented on the vehicles’ visibility in far flung lands as success factors, but the reality is that LR and Yota NEEDED those markets to SURVIVE/EXIST, whereas Jeep and Ford could meet all their needs with domestic sales which often dwarfed the other two’s global sales. Only recently has the export market become a focus, but even then it’s a very specific focus, like the large population growing markets like China and India, or else selling an easy to make low cost option that is easy to get into export markets especially from more local production.

    It’s not a question of thinking anyone can or can’t afford it or need/use it, but it’s tough to get past some the constraints that keep it from being more available worldwide.
     
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    But remember, if the JT has lockers and can still tow 6500 lbs than you're still better off than the Colorado ZR2 which can only tow 5,000 lbs it's all relative... 6500 is more than the Toyota TRD Pro can tow as well, so JT has the best towing of any of the off road focused mid size trucks
     
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    and that sir, is the market they are going for...
    would be awesome if they did a Baja style twin turbo V6 option, to go head to head with the V6 EcoBoost Raptor! That just me lusting though...lol
     
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    Yeah, that would be cool, I'm just looking forward to a convertible pickup truck that I can flat-tow my TJ with :rock:
     
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    Good point as I thought the ZR2 still had the same towing capacity of the other Colorados. Didn't realize it went down.
     
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    Would be cool, but the JT with its SFA will never be as good in high speed stuff as IFS on the ranger. If you look at all the Trophy trucks they are IFS and most are only RWD.

    The JT will be the Midsize Power Wagon compared to the Ranger being the Midsize Raptor.
     
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    midsize power wagon and midsize raptor are great comparisons :like:
    solid front axle is another thing that makes the JT unique vs. the rest of the segment :clap:
     
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    all interesting speculation, but in the end its what makes the $$$$ although the "suits" don't always get it right!!! in my area there are a lot of new Colorados + seeing how the tanks need to put a wheel on the sidewalk to angle park + can't fit in a normal sided parking spot stinks. i rarely see more than the driver + a passenger in the 4 door models! pickup's are way overpriced as was noted, it costs little more than a car to build samo the SUV's AWD or not, look at Subaru pricing you can see why they are selling well!!!! if buyers are willing to put up the big $$$$ they will continue to make them, look at the premium 4 door tanks with $10,000 off list!!!! they are raping the buyer for sure, without even a kiss!!!
     
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    Which if you read the recent TruckTrend / Motor Trend review of the Power Wagon vs the Raptor vs ZR2, they were surprised that in the Real World that the Raptor was the Squirrely one at high speed on even just dirt roads and the PW and ZR2 felt way more planted. That surprised the heck out of me, because I know how squirrely the Wrangler can be @ 60MPH / 100KPH on logging trails and country side-roads.

    Perhaps if we all drove sand the Raptor’s IFS would be, but really most high speed runs in Pickups are dirt roads and gravel like the TruckTrend Quebec Trans-Labrador trek, and theory doesn’t seem to match reality;

    http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/...vs-ford-f-150-raptor-vs-ram-2500-power-wagon/
     
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    short wheelbases have good points, but you found the not so good!! just like a lot of ground clearance + higher center of gravity make less stability in corners!!! things are a tradeoff when building vehicles especially when theres a pricepoint involved. cubic $$$$ can fix many issues or at least minimize them!! a friend races a buggy at a local offroad track he says a guy comes with a pro-built high $$$ machine, he ALWAYS WINS!!!
     
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