Confirmed: 2019 Jeep Scrambler (JT) gets 3.0L diesel, hard/soft tops, longer frame, beefier axles

Based on the frame drawings it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to bob the bed for those that want to do that. I wonder about the legality of doing so though as it would require the removal of the rear crumple zone. This is something I might want to do

Edit: I can't find anything that would make it illegal so...

 

Now if we can only get Sahara Tan and Rescue Green as MY2019 paint colors........

 

Oh man, Sahara Tan and a set of white steel wheels. Add a custom Gobi rack and make my own version of the Africa concept Jeep from a couple years ago. I am stoked and ready to get this thing bought.

 

Found this write up and it makes me feel a little more comfortable about the extra cost of the 3.0 L diesel.

A few hundred miles into my road trip with our long-term 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, the truck's DEF needle dipped into the red. So somewhere between Roswell, New Mexico and Austin, I stopped at a big travel center/truck stop/gas station that had DEF on tap.

DEF was $2.80 per gallon at this station which is on par with the national average. For reference, the next-cheapest DEF purchase we've made was when we bought three 2.5-gallon containers from Amazon.com for $33. That works out to $4.40 per gallon. Clearly, it pays to find this stuff at the pump.

With that fill, we had added DEF to the Ram seven times over the last year. Here's a breakdown:

Date - Mileage - Gallons - Cost - Per Gal

07/09/2025 - 5,542 - 1 - $7.55 - $7.55

07/11/2025 - 5,760 - 4.5 - $21.00 - $4.67

08/11/2025 - 8,975 - 6 - $58.50 - $9.75

10/25/2014 - 15,748 - 7.5 - $33.00 - $4.40

11/30/2014 - 21,083 - 6 - $40.47 - $6.75

03/18/2015 - 27,941 - 7.5 - $35.91 - $4.79

07/26/2015 - 36,363 - 6.275 - $17.56 - $2.80

Over 36,363 miles, the Ram has consumed 38.775 gallons of DEF. Since the last fill-up, we've averaged 1,342.1 mpg with DEF and the lifetime average now stands at 937.8 mpg. In other words, we are using about 10.6 gallons of DEF every 10,000 miles.

If we'd done every DEF fill at this pump with a price of $2.80 per gallon, our lifetime DEF cost at 36,363 miles would be $108.57. As it stands, we've spent $213.99. Not a life-altering difference by most standards, but definitely a gap. With these numbers in hand, I started wondering what the cost difference between our diesel-powered Ram and the two available gasoline-powered engines would be.

When I filled up on DEF, the Ram's lifetime average for fuel economy was 22.4 mpg, compared to its EPA-combined rating of 22 mpg. So for the purposes of this comparison, we'll say that the fuel economy for all three Ram powertrains hypothetically match the EPA's numbers. With four-wheel drive, the 3.6-liter and 5.7-liter gasoline engines are rated at 19 mpg combined and 15 mpg combined, respectively.

The current national average for diesel fuel is $2.61 and the national average for standard gasoline is $2.62. With those prices, here's what that fuel cost would be for each powertrain over 40,000 miles.

Ram 4WD 3.0-L Diesel V6: $4,745.45*
Ram 4WD 3.6-L V6: $5,515.78
Ram 4WD 5.7-L V8: $6,986.66

So the last thing here is to add our DEF costs ($213.99) to our diesel costs, which brings our long-term Ram's total to $4,959.54 ($4,854.02 if we'd bought all our DEF at the pump). I'll concede that there are several other factors at play here including tow ratings, upfront cost difference, maintenance and the (in)convenience of finding diesel fuel, but they just aren't big enough issues to scare me off this excellent powertrain.

 

Where's the reference to that write-up? The links to edmunds don't have those prices/costs in them.

The fuel prices don't reflect the national average at all despite the recent uptick that hit regular harder than diesel after Harvey, diesel is still almost 10% more expensive and has been consistently for years.
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

Specifically looking at the periods of those fill-ups in 2014-15, diesel was still about 10-15% more per gallon than regular gasoline on a national average.

It also doesn't include the more expensive oil changes, oil and fuel filter changes, etc.

Would be nice to have realistic testing, with verifiable data not something with discounted DEF cheaper than Amazon, and obviously abnormal diesel/gasoline pricing or reporting.

 

Before the hurricane diesel here in South Texas was as low as $2.02 a gallon, now I have seen it a valero @ $2.23 a gallon.
The truck stop next to my work had DEF yesterday for $2.98 a gallon as well.

 

I just double check gas buddy app and desiel is the exact same price as regular gas in my location, lowest is now $2.29, average is $2.39 per gallon at all the local locations for both.

 

Your link goes to "page not found"

Well then as someone in an oil-rich region, like myself, even if you're not directly involved in production, you should know that Texas prices don't reflect the "national average" stated in the information you posted, and is a distortion of the facts, either willfuly to cook the numbers or through poor analysis, both of which discount the piece.

In fact, data for those "national average" prices (both current and historical) are available at that link above. They show a typical 10%+ premium for diesel. Again this is all easily verifiable from industry standard government data, so there's no question that that original statement from the author/article was at least misleading, if not knowingly deceptive.

As for DEF it's likely similarly distorted.

 

US National Average fuel prices for those dates. Diesel is on the Left, Regular Gasoline is on the Right.
Current US prices which clearly show how 'not-average' Texas prices are, are in the link above.
Seems pretty clear that that article is definitely not what the 'average' user will experience then, now, or in the future.

 

2014 Ram 1500 - Edmunds Road Test

https://www.edmunds.com/ram/1500/2014/long-term-road-test/mpg.html

Here is a better link, sorry the other one would not open. The article is from edmunds, and he is doing on going testing... I just posted stating my personal feeling towards purching the 3.0 Lt turbo were more at ease after reading this article. I was not making a case or arguing national average, due to the prices in the article being close to what they are here now currently in Texas. I was just passing along info. I did need see shared yet. Sorry if there was some confusion

 

OK, just making sure people had the facts, as whomever wrote the article(s) made those glaring mistakes, especially using a term like "national average", and if people make their purchasing choices based on that, and later found out their experience didn't match the article, then that would be unfortunate.

 

Also checking the EPA numbers, those are for the the 6-speed 4x4 Hemi numbers (15MPG combined)... not the 8-speed Hemi 4x4 numbers (17MPG combined) versus the Ecodiesel 8-speed 4x4, so again not quite equal setups.

A little sketchy that both the MPG and Fuel Price numbers are off in ways that only favour the one option.

 

Ape here is the link to DEF break down that TxTravisty posted: https://www.edmunds.com/ram/1500/20...m-1500-ecodiesel-adding-and-tracking-def.html

As its a sub-link of the article he posted. Also like him Diesel here in Idaho is = to Unleaded for the most part and sometimes less.

 

Again, when an author or poster says "National Average" it's something that is easy to check, and posting your local station doesn't negate that statement.

Even in your example Vegas, the lowesr price for Regular is 2.77 and the lowest price for diesel is 2.79.
I can get agricultural gasoline for much cheaper than the average person pays for their gasoline, but I would not use that in a discussion of prices, nor would I claim "national average" based on my personal/regional situation.

For your example why don't you include Boise's Costco and Walmart gasoline prices in your area? Is that because they aren't as complimentary to your argument with regular @ 2.71 and 2.73 for those outlets?

As they are price setters, and conveniently located @ the junction of i84 and 184 they likely each sell more fuel than many other locations combined. And they change that low end of the price dynamic significantly.

The national averages are show above, and consistent. Either use those figure or else don't claim to be doing so, and outline your regional bias in the article.

 

Remove the 2 center black sections and bring the front and rear sections together = 2 door frame?

 

Because I live in Meridian and not Boise the app pulled up the (3) closest stations to me which I posted. I posted (3) too to show I wasn't just picking the cheapest.

Also I would never post Costco as an example as those prices are only for Costco members.

As for national average I could careless as I pay local prices thats all that important to me and anyone else buying. What does it matter to me what prices are in CA or NY? I don't have to pay their gas taxes so I would never look at their prices. Same with TxTravisty why would he care what people pay outside Texas since he lives there. Here in the U.S. gas prices range mostly due to local state taxes.

 

And Wlmart is for everyone and there are two of them within a mile at that 2.73 price vs diesel's 2.79, and like Costco they probably acount for more gasoline sales than the next 5 stations combined, so still more relevant than a small local station that doesn't sell half as much.

Glad to hear, it 'cause I don't care what the price of fuel is in Idaho; but more germaine to the point, if someone is going to author an article (or repost it) claiming national averages then it matters, otherwise post the caveat that your information is biased by your local unusual prices, and also your built in bias to post the incorrect info on the EPA numbers.

But sure, America is all about Alternative Facts now, so I could see why openess and accuracy would be less important than provincialism and bias.

 

Sinclair, Maverick and Fred Myer are all large chains with locations outside of Idaho so to call them a small local station is false.

Sinclair as more than 1,300 stations: https://www.sinclairoil.com/news/corporate-news/sinclair-oil-100-expanding-dino’s-footprint-across-nation

Fred Meyer is in WA, OR, AK, ID and is owned by Kroger (which owns stores nationally) so you can include all the Kroger stations as well.

Maverick has 270 stations in 10 states: https://www.maverik.com/home/company.html

All far from local mom and pops.

If you actually READ what TxTravisty posted you would have been able to tell that he just copied and pasted the article he linked to from Edmunds which was talking about the national averages of DEF at the start and then Diesel at the end. Which were the national averages at the time the article was written. There are no shenanigans being played with the numbers, and the sources are right in front of your face. If you weren't constantly so defensive maybe you would calm down and comprehend that.

 

That aren't large enough to exist in Canada, WalMart and Costco do, Shell does... but even your local pricing does not change the statements in the article or the data it ignores. Again you pretending that the numbers aren't off to serve your own purpose shows you're using alternate facts to try and support a falsehood simoly because it matches your chosen narrative.

If you actually look at the national average numbers I posted above, as I said previously, the statement that gas & diesel are the same price is incorrect from each of the fill-up days mentioned in the article, for the entire test period, and for the specific time the article was written. That's very easy to fact check with the two tables above from the EIA's site: https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

Again it's in black and white from the government data with the National Average of diesel is more expensive than gasoline, no debate about what your neck ofmthe woods is doing that differs from thousands of other buyers; same with the EPA rating which is for the 6spd Hemi not the 8spd which would provide a closer match to the 8spd EcoDiesel fuel economy. Neither figure posted publically by the government, match the comments from Edmunds in the article which makes it factually incorrect.

You or TxT posting your local pump prices doesn't change those two glaring errors that support a narrative the author thinks they can sell, and you both are trying to support it in order to support/justify your choices with local anecdotal prices rather than the method stated in the article.

 

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